Leo [00:00:23]:
250. Can you believe we've done 250 of these things?

Gary Rosenzweig [00:00:26]:
Wow. Yeah, I know. It's years. Years worth of. I mean it's six almost.

Leo [00:00:32]:
Something like that. Yeah. I mean we can't even claim that this was necessarily a. A Covid thing, a pandemic thing. We were actually doing it before, so.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:00:42]:
I know, yeah.

Leo [00:00:43]:
Anyway, so what's new and exciting for our 250th episode?

Gary Rosenzweig [00:00:48]:
Well, on my side of things, Apple of course had their big Worldwide Developers Conference and for the 20th year in a row, I did not attend. No, I've never been there actually. It's hard to get in. You have to just lotter and everything and I don't do that much development work that I need to go to a conference about it. But they did do the big announcements, which is where all the news comes from, really. No new hardware announced. Apple really has gotten away from announcing any new hardware at worldwide developer conferences. They just announced that when it's ready and they focus on development, which means it's when they introduced all their new operating systems and start with the beta process.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:01:34]:
So it's this whole little like it's beta season. We get the Worldwide Developers Conference, we get the betas on the same day for developers and public betas and then the real thing comes out for everybody in the fall. What was interesting this year is they changed the naming scheme widely predicted to happen. So instead of having Mac OS 16 and HiOS 19 and all this, they are going to go with the year thing, year ahead thing. So it's 26, everything's 26, Mac OS 26, TVOS 26, WatchOS 26 and all of that good that way for at.

Leo [00:02:11]:
Least another 75 years.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:02:13]:
Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it's. And I think it's, I mean everybody kind of predicted it. It's kind of got to go. Go that way. Especially when you get like iPhone numbers and iOS numbers are confused and it's a whole thing. So yeah, it makes sense to me that they do that. So there's that they still, I thought when they did it, they're not going to use names anymore for macOS because Mac OS is the only one that they actually give it a name.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:02:40]:
But they, they did. It's called Mac OS Tahoe. I really thought they would just say, what's Mac OS 26? We're not doing the name nonsense anymore. But no, they made a whole big deal about it like they always do with a little video and everything show, you know, showing how they picked Tahoe or not the real story, but you know. Yeah, so we have Tahoe and then all of this. They also, it was a good time for them to start with the unified numbering system because they also introduced design changes that are across all the systems, which is really the first time they've ever done that. Usually they'll introduce a new design element in some system and if it works out, then it slowly gets introduced into the other systems and you've got things like iOS leads the way. And then Mac OS has something new and that goes over to the iPad, which then goes to iOS.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:03:33]:
You know, it just goes all around. And I guess the last time for that really was to introduce a kind of a glass like look for Vision OS for the Apple Vision Pro. And now they're kind of bringing that to all of the operating systems at once. So they're all in sync. Like all the same kind of design elements across all the platforms with the Unified numbering system, which is nice. And that's not the only thing that they really brought over because they actually, surprisingly, the biggest single change to any operating system that they announced was for the iPad. And it was in a weird direction because you know, the iPad has this, it's this weird thing. It's between the iPhone and the Mac.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:04:23]:
It's got all these things that look like the iPhone because it's like a mobile device, right. But it's got a bigger screen and they have really been pushing people to get keyboards with it nowadays. So it's got a lot of desktop like features. You know, they, some of the desktop apps, big apps like Photoshop and Final Cut Pro and all that are on the iPad. And so they introduced windowing on the iPad, which they've never had before. It's always been like you're either looking at the app full screen like you would on a phone, right? There was a split view mode, there is a slide over mode so you can have an app kind of in a corner. So all these different ways of handling it. And they finally just went and said, no, you can do full screen and then you can shrink it down and it could be a window now.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:05:09]:
So you have multiple windows.

Leo [00:05:11]:
You get to choose any number. The whole, the whole thing, the whole.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:05:14]:
Thing looks like regular windows. Matter of fact, it's got the three little colored buttons like Apple, okay, has on the Mac. It's got the windows tiling functions they introduced on the Mac. It looks extremely Mac like with the new glass, liquid glass design going across all of them. It's almost like you could definitely do screenshots of iPad now and show them to people and say Mac or iPad and you would not be able to really tell a lot of times if you're looking at the right apps in the right way and all that. That is kind of interesting that they went that way. They basically, the iPad seems to sometimes take a small step towards the iPhone, sometimes a small step towards the Mac. And now suddenly it took a big step towards Mac.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:05:57]:
Like it's almost like, so why is there iPad OS? Like, couldn't they just run Mac OS on an iPad? And yeah, obviously there's a lot more to it than just this windowing feature, but it does go across because I.

Leo [00:06:13]:
Did see a headline this morning that said something about. So iPad as a desktop is a computer now.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:06:19]:
Yeah.

Leo [00:06:19]:
And now it makes sense that just with windowing you're right, windowing in a keyboard, you've got something that's pretty.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:06:26]:
Yeah, a lot of people use that as the, as the definition. Right, right. Oh, it's a tablet if it's like apps are full screen, like mobile apps and it's a desktop if you get windowed, you know, interfaces. And now the iPad has that. So if your definition of desktop was. Was that now the iPad is that.

Leo [00:06:47]:
Can you do a mouse with it?

Gary Rosenzweig [00:06:49]:
Oh, yeah, you already could. I mean you already. Apple has already been pushing for years, you know, the little keyboard and the keyboard, it has a trackpad on it. You know, Apple's really trackpad centric. But you could certainly do a mouse instead if you wanted to. So they've already had that and there's been plenty of people. I have noticed we've gone fully from, you know, the iPad originally didn't have any keyboard with it. Like you get a third party Bluetooth keyboard and connect it.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:07:13]:
And then there were third party, like designed for iPad keyboards. Apple came out with their own keyboards. We are getting to the point now where I'm getting questions from people that makes it obvious to me that they aren't even thinking of the iPad as a non keyboard device. Like, they're asking me for keyboard shortcut advice and I'm giving them Mac advice and they're like, oh, no, I'm sorry, I'm on an iPad. Well, to me it's like you should. That would be okay. This is an unusual thing. But I'm using a keyboard, my iPad, how do I do this? And it's not even occurring to them that that's unusual.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:07:47]:
It's like everybody is. And it's still, you know, I did actually ask, ask around, search around, and according to what I can find, a majority of iPad users still don't use it, you know, don't use any kind of keyboard or trackpad with it. But I think that if that's the case and there's a lot of people out there that just, you know, grab as a quick. Like they watch Netflix, they just do some basic stuff. It's an entertainment device, you know, a screen to have, you know, that's bigger than their phone. And then there's people that actually use it for work. I think we're at a point now where people that use it for work, like the vast majority are probably keyboard, trackpad on the iPad.

Leo [00:08:23]:
It's funny, I was doing some work on my car the past couple of days and it was a classic case of, okay, I needed instructions, I found instructions on YouTube, my computer is here, my car is there. What's the right way to get the video into the, you know, to where I need to work. And yeah, the iPad is perfect for that kind of stuff.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:08:42]:
Yep.

Leo [00:08:42]:
Yeah, don't need a keyboard for it.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:08:44]:
But it's also, it's a very light. You know, there's a, there's a weight difference. Even the MacBook Air comes in just. It's like two and a half pounds. Right, right. Which feels, you know, if you're old timers like us, that feels super light compared to, you know, these bricks we used to carry around. But the iPad comes in at like a pound, like for a big screen iPad, and it feels super thin. So, yeah, I get the whole idea of like, you know, I'm doing a lot of travel soon and, you know, I can look at it and say, boy, the.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:09:15]:
It's really hard for me to justify carrying a MacBook with me when I'm trying to travel light. But an iPad might be interesting. Like the phone obviously is coming with. But like an iPad is so thin. I mean, I've got like a, like a. The padding on my backpack between my back and like the back layer is thicker than an iPad, you know, at this point. So anyway, there's, there's that Mac os. There's, you know, a bunch of little new features which, you know, it's hard to like focus on any one of them now.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:09:48]:
You know, things like Spotlight's got all new functionality and how Spotlight works and things like that. I think from a power standpoint, there's one feature that is very powerful, which is the Shortcuts app now has Automations. So the Shortcuts App can still do everything the shortcut CutsApp did before. You can make these little programs that do things that interact with your apps, send messages, emails, rearrange files, all that. But before you had to trigger them. Now you could do things like set one to go at a certain time or when an app launches, or when you connect to something via Bluetooth or a million other little. Like when a file is modified, it can automatically run these. So that's going to make things really powerful.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:10:30]:
That was already available on the iPhone, but I think it wasn't as powerful on the iPhone, on a mobile device, on a desktop. I think it's going to be really powerful to have this ability. And I think it's the kind of thing where I can't even predict like how people are going to use this. I'm really interested to see six months from now, the things are not six months from now, six months from the release of Tahoe, like the things people will be asking me like, can I do this with it? I'll be like, oh yeah, hmm, that's a good idea. So there's, so there's that they did introduce Clipboard History, which. So now you can go back and like paste the thing that you had, you know, copied five times ago, which will be interesting to see how that changes the Clipboard Manager market. Including my own Clip tools, Clipboard Manager, which does a lot of other stuff. I mean, obviously I don't think the central focus of my tool was ever Clipboard History.

Leo [00:11:26]:
It's funny because I've got the same situation on Windows. Windows has had Clipboard History for some time. Windows V, for anybody listening. And if it's enabled in Settings, what I'm finding is yes, I've got it enabled and no, I never use it because I've got a third party tool installed that gives me my Clipboard history and a bunch of other things. So it's just one of those things to see what those third party tools are really adding beyond just history.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:11:55]:
Yep, exactly. So I'll have to see and think about where I want to go with that tool in the future. So yeah. Oh, and the other thing is, you know, I'm trying to find a theme like is there some sort of thing that Apple's really seems to be going for across all these different systems? And besides the whole Liquid Glass redesign, there is like, there's a set of features that I call screening features that Apple seems to be introducing across apps like the phone app, the facetime app and messages to basically prevent you from getting Spam calls, spam messages, that kind of thing. A whole bunch of different things to handle different situations. And like, for instance, like the big one on the phone. And I can't wait to try this. If you receive a phone call, you could set it so that it's from an unknown number instead of it just saying, you know, going right to voicemail and say, leave a message.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:12:56]:
It could say, okay, state your name. And you're supposed to say your name. And then what is this regarding? And I don't know what verbiage is used to get those things, but it takes those, it converts those to text, and all happens before your phone rings. So then your phone rings and the screen says, call from unknown number. Here's the number. And they said their name is this. And this is about this thing. And then you could decide whether or not to answer it, send it to voicemail, whatever.

Leo [00:13:30]:
The downside of that one is that when you decide to decline the call, the person calling knows that you decline the call.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:13:43]:
Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they know there's a difference between it just going to voicemail or you actually doing something. I don't know if there's a difference. Like, I know. I think I have. I don't. I don't get that many phone calls. I.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:13:59]:
Or I just don't even take. I don't take that many phone calls. But I'm pretty sure, like, I know there's one. Like if you just press the side button on an iPhone, it silences the ring, and it will still ring four times and then go to voicemail. So they don't know whether you hit the button or not. So. And that's key to the whole thing. And I, I assume, I think if I hit the voicemail button that it does the same thing.

Leo [00:14:24]:
But maybe you've got the option, the time to answer questions. Right. They've already interacted with the system to say, here's my name, here's my reason. Yeah, The. The assumption would be that that information that they just provided is being used by somebody to make a decision. Right?

Gary Rosenzweig [00:14:40]:
Yeah, I mean, but if you're not there. Yeah, but if you. I mean, if I, If I put my phone down and go for a walk, you know, it. Same thing happens.

Leo [00:14:49]:
Right.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:14:50]:
You know, it doesn't. You don't know that the person is there for sure or that they have their phone on or anything, you know, so, yeah, I guess you can't make an assumption. But, you know, like, it's. And remember, it's for Unknown callers.

Leo [00:15:06]:
Correct. Oh, yeah.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:15:07]:
So like, it's not like, oh, you know, your best friend calls you and you didn't pick up and they're like, mad. It's like, no, your best friend calls you. It's not going to do that. It's just going to call ring normally.

Leo [00:15:16]:
It's not going to prompt and they'll be mad.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:15:19]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So anyway, that's interesting. And there's also like a hold feature too where it can, you can be on hold and if there's music playing in the background, you can actually put it in a mode where you're done, but your phone is still listening. And when it detects that the music is like somebody is picked up, it then alerts you somehow and then you can pick the phone up so you don't have to listen to the hold music.

Leo [00:15:45]:
Could have used that a couple of months ago when I was trying to do something with a, with an online, with a bank and I had so many calls and there were so much hold music repeatedly. It's like, and they, and hold music, it's evil. If it's the exact same hold music every time you call, that's worse. At least be entertaining.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:16:09]:
Apple leaned into that actually, because when they, they demoed that, they actually put in, you know, they put in hold music that everybody could immediately identify as the worst. The most commonly used, but the worst. Like you would recognize that in a second. Like, oh, that song. Oh my. You know, and, and yeah, so they really leaned it. Whoever was, whoever thought that they should put that song in the demo. That's.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:16:35]:
That was perfect. Chef's Kiss and all that. So, yeah, so there, there we go. We got new stuff. Developer beta now, public beta in July and then it'll be released in the fall. And I'm guessing Apple's been pretty good at getting the operating systems out about the same time. Very close. And I'm guessing with all the numbers being the same and all that stuff now and like a unified design, that they're going to also release everything at the same time.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:17:04]:
Yeah, that would be nice. But I have it running the developer beta on my laptop and while there are a couple of features that, that probably don't work, like if I, you know, there's like, there's polling in messages. Like in messages you can go and start a little poll, like in your group chat, right?

Leo [00:17:24]:
Yeah.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:17:25]:
And I'm guessing that it's not going to work to people with older versions, but for the most part the stuff seems in this update to be pretty compatible. Like things look different. Like for instance, a feature of the Reminders app is you could put a bunch of stuff in a list in the Reminders app and then you already can make sections and divide things up into sections. So you make a packing list. You can already say like clothes, toiletries, you know, electronics and all that. You can now just put the list and then say categorize for me and it will use AI and figure out what the category should be. That I don't see any incompatibility with an older system. Like if I look at that same list now and Reminders, an older system, it doesn't know that I used AI for it.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:18:12]:
It just sees them as sections. There's a lot of stuff like that. I think it's the kind of thing where it's going to be pretty smooth beta period. Like using various versions of operating systems and things.

Leo [00:18:22]:
Cool.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:18:23]:
Yeah.

Leo [00:18:25]:
So in other news, I ran across an article this morning from 404 Media, which is a, actually a really cool independent news media. Airlines don't want you to know they sold your flight data to DHS basically if you've flown or if you're about to fly. Gary. Your, your itinerary, your identity, of course, and apparently even like which credit card you used are all, it's all information that is being collected by a third party that is owned by I think three of the major airlines but used by most of them. They're a data broker and they then have turned around and have been selling that to Department of Homeland Security and I think ICE is using it now too. So yeah, that's both disappointing and not surprising. Which leads me to kind of sort of segue to data collection in general. Because one of the things that I hear from readers and viewers a lot is that there is a class of people that will never ever, ever put anything in the cloud.

Leo [00:19:43]:
They will never store a document in OneDrive. They will never put something in iCloud because they are convinced that their documents are being scanned by the authorities for nefarious content and, or just, or invasion of privacy. And there's some legitimacy to the concern because I, I think icloud had been, if they haven't already scanning uploads for child abuse csam, I think it is.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:20:17]:
No, no, that's not. Well, they, they never implemented the system.

Leo [00:20:21]:
Okay.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:20:21]:
But it was a hash based system.

Leo [00:20:24]:
Understood.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:20:24]:
But you know, they weren't scanning your stuff. They were, they were sending your device the hash.

Leo [00:20:32]:
But, but, but here's the thing, right to a User. Yeah, it looks like their information, their images have been scanned, right?

Gary Rosenzweig [00:20:41]:
Yeah. Even though that's not true.

Leo [00:20:43]:
Right. But their information was hashed, I guess, or compared against a hash or whatever. Point being though, that there's a fair amount of paranoia around sharing data with the major providers like iCloud and Dropbox and OneDrive and Google Drive and all that. Because the thinking is that these companies are turning around, scanning the information and then selling the glean data or using data to train their own AIs. To me, for one thing. I don't fall into that camp. I don't care. I don't think it's happening.

Leo [00:21:21]:
The fact that it could happening could be happening. One of my phrases has always been you and I, we're just not that interesting. But I think the greater risk, this particular article is just the tip of the iceberg of the greater risk where some of the things that we just do, even without using our own computers or without storing our documents in the cloud, so much of what we do is collected in databases in various places that are then collated and sold to data brokers who would then turn around and sell it to others. That seems to me to be the greater risk and even worse, outside of like lobbying our representatives, there's not a hell of a lot we can do about it. Unless you're willing to completely go off grid, which literally would mean, you know, not having credit cards, not flying, not traveling, not, you know, any of the number, anything that, that you know, has data as a side effect, which is everything these days. There just really isn't much we can do about it. The only, most of these, these collections have these wonderful caveats that say, okay, fine, we, your privacy is very important to us. And as a result, they say that, you know, they'll only provide it to authorized individuals or in, in the case of, you know, government authorized, subpoenaed government access.

Leo [00:23:01]:
That's about the only place that I think things like cloud storage kind of overlap because indeed, you know, Google and Microsoft and Dropbox and Apple probably all have processes to be able to respond to subpoenas where information, you know, people's information is requested by law enforcement. The theory, of course, is that there is a high bar, there's a high barrier, right. You have to go to a court, get a subpoena, and they have to prove that there has, you have to be reasonable cause and so forth. And I think that a lot of people may distrust that process even more lately. But like I said, there's another horse that's already out of the barn. And that's all this data that's already being collected, sold and resold on us anyway. I just, like I said, it seems like there's a fair amount of paranoia that is legitimate, but it's being targeted at the wrong things. Yeah, the thing that, that always amuses me the most is that cloud storage, like OneDrive and so forth, you've got control.

Leo [00:24:07]:
You can encrypt everything you upload. Right. Unlike all of this other data that's being collected as you go about your day. So anyway, I just wanted to comment on that particular story just because I thought it was an interesting. It's news, but it's not news.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:24:23]:
Yeah, we've said many times before on this show that, like, you know, people are so worried about their phone giving their location to, say, Apple or Samsung or Google or wherever. Completely ignoring the fact that AT&T or Verizon definitely knows where you are all the time and has that information there. And, and it's not, it's not that, you know, whether or not Google or Apple or somebody knows, it doesn't matter because the government can just go right to AT&T and say, it's not us where this person is.

Leo [00:24:58]:
Yeah, Google is not where law enforcement goes. Yeah, yeah, the phone company is your phone company.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:25:03]:
Yeah, they are. And they, and they're. Yes, through their towers, they, they have all this information. So yeah, when your phone says, like your location is being shared, that's like your phone has figured out where you are. So it can show you, say, on a map or whatever other app you're using, or when you take a picture, it can label it with the gps. Your phone figures that out and then an app is asked, oh, can I have that information? And that's when you're giving permission and that's when you're like, worried, why does this app want my information? Forgetting that before any of that happens, AT&T has basically like triangulated your location through how strong of a signal it has on each of its towers around wherever you are.

Leo [00:25:40]:
I'm assuming that the, the telcos AT&T, T mobile, etc. Yes, triangulation is a thing. My guess is they probably don't need it. They probably also have direct access to the GPS information anyway.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:25:53]:
Yeah, I know. I think it's tougher, but I don't think it's even. I think in some cases it's completely overlapping because some, in some cases your GPS location is actually. That's one of the main pieces of data being used in addition to the actual GPS satellites or and the WI fi routers that are around you. So there's all this information. But yeah, I mean, people often overlo. And there's other places too. And going back to the original airline story, I mean, part of the thing is, for decades now, I mean, I remember this is something when I was a kid that we talked about that you would get, say a magazine subscription back before the Internet.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:26:33]:
You would have to get information somehow. So you had magazine subscriptions. And typically it was almost like a fingerprint. Like a person would have, say, seven or eight magazine subscriptions, which did not seem like very much, because if you didn't have the Internet to read things, then you had newspapers and magazines. So getting six or seven magazines a month was not that much information compared to what we have now. And it was like a fingerprint. The seven magazines that you got was like, that was like who you are, you know, did you get Astronomy magazine, cq, you know, Newsweek, you know what, Vanity Fair, all these different magazines kind of like. But they all sold information to the other magazine.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:27:17]:
So you would get this thing where you would get marketing from. Like if you subscribe to Astronomy magazine, you would get a marketing thing from sky and Telescope, no doubt.

Leo [00:27:30]:
Right?

Gary Rosenzweig [00:27:30]:
Because all sky and Telescope did is say, we want to send out 10,000 little mailers to get subscribers. And a marketing company says, we'll take care of that. And they go and say, well, we have a list of everybody that has Astronomy magazine send them this. And this was sold back and forth. But what was interesting is at that time it didn't seem like the government had caught on or governments around the world had ever caught on that they could just buy this information too. But definitely now it has no doubt. So all this when an airline says, hey, we could sell you like an address of somebody that travels a lot to, you know, different place, vacation type places. And then that's why you end up getting little flyers in the mail from like Royal Caribbean or something like that, because they bought this database that came originally from the data sold by United Airlines.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:28:27]:
And that's all fine for. Or fine or not for marketing purposes. But then the U.S. government, you know, the NSA or whoever goes and says, oh, wait a minute, that information, it's not even that expensive. We'll take all of it. Here's a check. And then they add that into their computer database as well as which magazines you subscribe to and your, your Facebook ad preferences and all that stuff, and they just throw that all into Your, your database. And, and yeah, but it is funny to think that you could, I mean, would even be considered something private like, I think, you know, TV shows and movies, it's always, you know, you know, the fugitive is on the run and they made a mistake.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:29:13]:
After three weeks, they use their credit card at this atm and now we have them, you know, and it was like, oh, that one thing that they did. But I don't think anybody's under your assumption that if they book a flight on Southwest that like, somehow, you know, they can't be found or whatever, or nobody would know that. Right.

Leo [00:29:34]:
So anyway, yeah, this week I also have a. Get off my lawn.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:29:40]:
Oh, okay.

Leo [00:29:41]:
I have a grump. Tell me if this sounds familiar. I don't understand it, therefore it's wrong or evil, or I don't like it, or no one should be using it, It's a conspiracy, etc. Etc. I have been getting a steady stream of these kind of comments on my recent videos specifically, not so much the articles, but mostly the videos about passkeys now. Pass keys, I get it. They're complicated. There's so much magic and, you know, choose to use or not, that's fine.

Leo [00:30:22]:
You know, they're going to get pushed by a lot of large corporations. You know, the big entities like Google right now and Microsoft are both pushing pass keys relatively hard. The thing that, that sways me the most is that there's pretty much a strong consensus across the security community that pass keys are the way to go. But no, no, no, no, no, no, because it's difficult to understand because people aren't willing to watch the entire video because people aren't willing to put their brain around the concepts. Like I said, it must be wrong, it must be evil, it must be a conspiracy. I, it's. It's wearing me down. I'm going to have to stop talking about pass keys less because it's, it's frustrating.

Leo [00:31:17]:
There's only so many times I can answer the question. And, and it's, it's just, it's. Yeah, get off my lawn. And I think it also falls into the bucket of something we've talked about in the past. If it's not perfect, doesn't solve every problem. If all of the edge cases aren't covered 100%, the whole thing must be crap. Yeah, and I'm seeing a lot of that in these discussions too. I'm seeing a lot of, what about with an edge case? What about with another edge case? Well, yeah, that's an edge case.

Leo [00:31:53]:
It's an important edge case. But here's the scenario and the other stuff. The non edge cases are way more important. Anyway. Yeah, it's wearing me down.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:32:07]:
Yeah, a lot of this stuff wears me down too. There's like too many to name. Like we could just do the whole show on the get off my lawn thing. But I did want to put one up there to match yours. Something that I, I've just, I heard a couple times in the last few days. People, people have problems with technology. Something's not working. Normal kind of thing.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:32:27]:
Right. But way too often people assume that if something's not working for them, that it's a bug and it's not working for everybody.

Leo [00:32:38]:
Right.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:32:39]:
And it's just, it's the wrong assumption to make. And a lot of times this manifests itself in this isn't working. Oh well, I'll wait for the next update to see if it fixes it. It's like, yeah, but it's working for other people. So it's not. The next update is not going to fix it. I mean, maybe it will. Sometimes it does simply because you're.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:32:58]:
You've restarted your computer after updates. Right. And if you would just legitimately unique.

Leo [00:33:03]:
About your machine that is affected by. Sure. Yeah.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:33:07]:
So yeah. It just happens so often, the attitude that if it's broken, it's broken for everybody. And we don't apply that to other simpler things. We don't think like, for instance, if our car is. If your car is pulling a little to the left, you don't go and say, must be a problem with the Chevy, whatever. You know, you think, no, that's not right. And you think that's a problem with my car. But on computers, for some reason, it's just always like, that's.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:33:36]:
That's happened. It must be happening to everybody. It's a problem with the system, not with my particular computer.

Leo [00:33:43]:
So do the tiniest bit of research to find out if other people are experiencing.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:33:48]:
And sometimes I get. It's hard because one of the things I like to do is I will respond with more or less saying it's not. It doesn't look like that for me or it's working fine for me. And a lot of people take that as kind of like I have to be very careful. They take it as like an offensive thing. Like, wow, good for you that it's working for you. It says, no, no, no, I am offering you a data point. Like, this is the thing.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:34:14]:
You have found something wrong. If I said, oh, seems to be for me as well, maybe we confirmed a few other people. Then we know it's a universal problem. I'm saying, oh, it's not happening for me. So right away we can rule out that it's happening for everybody. It's not.

Leo [00:34:29]:
Right.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:34:30]:
Go ahead and continue and find out. Maybe it's happening for half the people. Maybe it's. You can ask 100 people and nobody else has this problem. But the one thing I can tell you very easily is that it's not happening for me. And that. So I have to phrase it usually like I usually say something. Here's another data point for you.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:34:47]:
It's not. I don't see this problem happening, so it can't be happening for everybody. Hope this helps.

Leo [00:34:52]:
Well, you know, of course it's working for you, you big computer hotshot. You, you, you.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:34:57]:
Yeah, I'm not doing anything special, so.

Leo [00:34:59]:
All right.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:35:00]:
Anyway, over to.

Leo [00:35:02]:
To things that are cool.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:35:04]:
Yeah, So I saw instead of, like, the latest book or the latest movie or something like that, I actually came about a movie from two years ago in an interesting way. I did a video showing, like, Mac apps that are still around, like, things that, like, you might have used 20 years ago on your Mac and you forgot it's still there and just as useful as it was because I'm always getting people. I show something and they're like, oh, I didn't know that was still there. I didn't know you could still do that, or whatever. So I showed a list, and one of the things on that list that always gets people is the app called Stickies. People love Stickies. It's got almost like a cult following on Mac. But there's a ton of people that, for some reason, even though they claim to have loved it, they stopped using it a while ago.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:35:49]:
And when they find out still there, they're, like, so excited. I'm like, it never went away, so you just stop using it. But anyway, one person actually said in a comment, oh, there's a movie where Stickies plays a major role. I'm like, what? There's a movie where the Stickies app on Mac OS plays a major role. So I almost just responded with, like, oh, cool, thanks, and then went away. But instead I was like, well, let me just look up this movie just real quick to see what it is. And a trailer appeared, and the trailer started playing. And not only did I immediately see Stickies in the trailer, but, like, messages and FaceTime and, like, files, and, like, that was showing the Mac screen.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:36:33]:
Okay, that's weird. In the trailer So I watched the whole trailer and I was like, this seems to be a movie. Like there was one back in 2018 that the entire movie is told from screens. You never have a camera on like the actual scene. It's always there. And it was called the movie. 2018 was called searching. And it turns out in 2023 a kind of spiritual sequel to it by some of the same people came out.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:36:58]:
And this movie is called Missing. And the movie is a. It turned out to be a really enjoyable movie. And I really don't like thrillers that much, but this was really enjoyable. And the entire thing is on screens, a lot of it on a Mac screen by the main character's Mac screen. So she's constantly messaging, looking things up online, doing research. She's using stickies to save information and you're seeing everything grow like all these little stickies on the screen as she finds things, as she's trying to solve the mystery. And there's an urgency to it.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:37:30]:
She has to work with somebody in another country. She uses TaskRabbit. She's using FaceTime to talk or WhatsApp. I think it was to talk to the person. So you see them on the screen, then you see what he sees of her on the screen. And there's never a RAW camera shot even at one point when they do have to venture out into the world, there's some sort of security camera system at a compound and you're seeing the security camera like six frame thing of the security camera of what's going on. So it maintains this thing of the entire movie is shot on the screen and the screenshots are incredible, made me so jealous. Sometimes they zoom in on the screen so close and I'm watching it in 4K and I'm like, there's no, I don't know of any screen that will show that resolution of that corner of like a window on Mac.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:38:20]:
So they must be doing something to get that amazing resolution from this. And it's riveting because it involves lots of cool stuff like there's for Google fans. She's constantly going into Google and she knows right out. She's an 18 year old who's obviously really good with computers and she gets right into the security settings and tracking and all this stuff. And I didn't encounter any major mistakes. There are a few times things were bent like oh, she got lucky with that part or oh, I don't know if it shows you quite as much information. But there was none of the typical like hacker sitting at a Thing saying their password is probably their dog's name. You know, that kind of situation.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:39:02]:
Or like I could just install with this USB thing. You know, none of that. It's all very realistic and it's really fun to watch. Like I found I was totally immersed in the movie and not distracted by anything else going on while watching the movie. So I highly recommend it. And if you're a fan of Mac OS or just like computer stuff getting done on computers, it's just interesting to watch an hour and a half movie where an entire story plays out like this.

Leo [00:39:31]:
Another way that it's unique is that it's actually showing a production operating system on screen. Because I'm sure you've seen this a lot that most of the computer screens you see on TV shows and movies are mockers, right? They're, they're not. They're a Mac like operating system or a Windows like operating system. The actual. Showing you an actual Mac screen or an actual Windows screen or, you know, is just, is rare. Yeah.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:40:00]:
Yeah. This is interesting. My only, my only main complaint is that she uses Chrome. And I keep saying, why don't you, why aren't you using Safari? Why are you using Chrome? What are you doing? But anyway, she's using Chrome and, but yeah, the rest of it. I mean, it's, but you could see that it's Chrome. You could see that she's using Google. You'd see she's using, you know, different things. They don't try to, they don't try to make mask things.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:40:25]:
You know, she doesn't go and say, oh, I'm sure glad I have my MacBook Pro with the Thunderbolt ports. She never says stuff like that. But she, you know, they never try to hide it. She's just using it the whole time. So it's really cool.

Leo [00:40:38]:
Anyway, I stumbled on to. Actually my wife and I stumbled onto something that just released on Netflix. It's called Department Q. It's a nine episode series, hour long episodes. It is, it's, it's in one hand. It's the classic broken cop scenario where you know, this guy, he's damaged, there's some stuff that happens to him. He comes back to the job, they put him on Cold Case, you know, to give him something to do. That shouldn't be too controversial.

Leo [00:41:16]:
Needless to say, controversy ensues. We're finding it. The, the characters are very, in a way, unlikable, but they're also very likable in that unlikable way. It's really hard to describe and they're, they're. They certainly have no filters. And it's just. And it's turning out to be a good mystery. Reveal the comment we made last night, which think we just watched episode four.

Leo [00:41:48]:
Like I said, I think there's nine episodes total and we're still at that state where, you know, they've done a really good job of making it look like it could be any of these people. So they're basically revealing information as they go. Lots of interesting character interaction. Anyway, we're just enjoying it. Department Q. It's on Netflix right now.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:42:10]:
Cool. Yeah, that sounds like something I'd like.

Leo [00:42:12]:
It's Brit, which is another one of the other things that approach or appeals to us. The actual scenario is set in Scotland, but the protagonist is from England, so there's a little bit of, of that kind of, I'll just say rivalry going on. So it adds to the show.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:42:36]:
That's good. I love British shows because then I get to play the side game of which episode of Doctor who is this actor from.

Leo [00:42:43]:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. You'll recognize a number of people and quite possibly from Doctor who.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:42:48]:
Yeah. Cool. Blatant self promotion. So I will point to my video that I did right after the Worldwide Developers Conference, where I try to really quickly, as fast as I can, right after they're done talking, get a video up on YouTube that tons of people will watch for a couple days and then nobody will watch ever again. But I'll point to it. I'll point to it now while people are still watching it.

Leo [00:43:14]:
Cool. And at the risk of. Of encouraging more comments that will make me grumpy.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:43:23]:
Yeah, you. You just promised you wouldn't you weren't going to do this and now you're doing it.

Leo [00:43:28]:
So the reason this one is, it's an article I call Passkeys and Hardware Keys. There's again, a lot of confusion around passkeys. And the pieces of confusion is, well, what's a yubikey? Is a yubikey the USB hardware key? Is that a passkey or not? And up until about a few weeks ago, I was saying, no, they're two completely different things. I was wrong. Some of them are actually capable of acting as pass keys. So talk about the differences and why it might matter. And in this case, you know, I think most. For, for most of our audience, I think have Yubikey hardware keys are probably overkill, but I think it is really interesting to understand the difference in how they do and don't work in this scenario.

Gary Rosenzweig [00:44:12]:
Cool.

Leo [00:44:14]:
So I think as us for this week. As it turns, we'll probably be off for a couple weeks. Here. Come back. I'm in July again. As always, thank you everyone for listening, and we will see you here again real soon. Take care, everyone. Bye.

Leo [00:44:29]:
Bye. Bye.